Stus-List C&C 99

Walt Dickie waltd at crresearch.com
Mon Jan 28 14:25:42 EST 2013


Not too many 99s where I sail in the Chicago area, and as far as I know none of them came with a sprit. But C&C can provide a kit to make the conversion, and the local dealer mentioned to me one day that at least one boat in our area has one installed. Basically the kit is the sprit itself and the "tunnel" that it runs through on the starboard side of the bow. You cut a good-size hole in the hull, glass in the tunnel, add the control lines and you're good to go. Possible, but not for the faint-hearted.

Went to Strictly Sail Chicago over the weekend, and was hoping to be able to see a 101. But no sign at all of C&C/Tartan. Nothing. No boats, no booth. Long lines to go on the Bluejacket 40 and crowds around the J/70.

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It appears the built in sprit was an option on the 99 and at least one of the boats on yachtworld has that installed.  Dave

On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:


The pole can be used as a bowsprit if desired when using asym spinnaker.  As it is 10% longer than J when the mast track is lowered fully and pole is attached it acts like a short sprit.  This is how my friends sail their asym spin some times.

no idea about a 99 with a sprit.  teh 101 seems to be that boat and is a really interesting looking design ...

Mike

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Hi Mike- Thanks for the extensive review.  Everything I have read and heard about the boat makes me think that one is in my future.  It is precisely the size and characteristics I was looking for, and it particularly appeals to my sense of karma after my happy experience with my previous C&C (and its owner group).  I will probably be looking for the shoal draft as that is a compromise I am willing to make in this area since I do not intend to seriously campaign the boat.  One thing you did not comment on is the bowsprit.  I gather that was an option, and one that attracted me to the boat.  I will be sailing mostly shorthanded and so do not intend to use a full spinnaker with pole.  Having a sprit launched chute seems to be a great compromise, but I have never sailed a boat with one so I have absolutely no personal experience.  Can anyone comment on that?  Thanks- Dave

On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:


David

The 99 has a few variations.  The most common and most recent being 5.5 ft draft carbon fibre mast. Initially the boat had a deeper draft keel and aluminum mast.  A very very small number had the deeper keel and carbon fibre mast and a number are the 5.5 ft keel with aluminum mast.

I believe the original boat was 6.4 ft aluminum mast version and then the shallow draft model was introduced as an option.  At some point groups of owners in the Chesapeake and another area convinced C&C to switch to only the 5.5 ft boat for one design purposes and to deal better with the shallow water areas where it was sailed.

Our friends have the 5.5 ft keel carbon mast since they bought the boat to sail in an area with a shallow entrance to our marina.  The 6.4 ft keel would not have worked there.  Their boat arrived with the waterline a bit off and C&C repainted the waterline over the first off season.  The reason for this was the design of the 5.5 ft keel which moved the center of mass aft a bit on the boat.  When racing it is very important to get the crew weight out of the cockpit and forward esp because of this.

A group of our friends race an Olson 30 which in our area for a time was rated the same as the 99 at PHRF 99.  They also raced in Chester Race Week against a carbon mast 6.4 ft keel version of this boat.  The Olson is faster than the Shoal Draft 99 in almost every condition until their is some chop and the winds are at approx 18 knots at which time the 99 is faster esp upwind.  The 6.4 ft keel is by our Olson friend's observation a much faster boat than the SD version.  It excels on all points of sail.  At some point in Nova Scotia it was realized that the C&C 99 handicap was based on the original 6.4 ft keel and that when C&C changed the specification for the standard boat the same handicap was used for the SD version.  This was also the case in New England.  We now have the 6.4 ft boat at 99 and the 5.5 ft version at 105 and PHRF-NE has a similar 6 second difference.  This only became apparent when a 6.4 ft model moved back to the area and we have both models sailing here.  I believe the difference between the 5.5 ft and 6.4 ft boat is more like 9 sec/mile though ...

The interior of the C&C 99 is well appointed.  The table is an option and hangs off the mast but is usable.  Galley seems to work out well.  The aft cabin is a bit cramped but once you wedge yourself in the bunk is quite comfortable for two people.  Have slept there many times.  The Vee berth would be considered your stateroom.  It is large, comfortable (much more so than aft cabin - trust me) and has cabinetry to store clothing etc.  Storage aboard seems adequate also and the engine seems not to have problems.

I also sail a lot on a C&C 115.  It has similar cabinet drawers and doors and when the boat is much used the latches seem to be flimsy.  Look for a boat where the owner was obsessive with maintenance and it will be pristine and very nice inside.  Our friend's 99 is just that - pristine.  It appears to be one year old and has great inventory of both sails and electronics that have been regularly updated.

For sailing be aware that the boat has an oversized J+1 pole and matching 200% spinnaker.  This is the class standard and in our area is included in the boats base rating.  This means the spinnaker is very large and can be a handful but the boat sails well with it and does not seem to be squirrelly downwind.  With the roller furling standard on the boat the common practice is to furl and unfurl the headsail while racing and the cut of the headsail is not diminished by the roller furling in size etc ...   Seems to work well

The wheel is a large destroyer type wheel and the boat is very responsive to the steering.  It feels quite direct and is nicely set up.  One caution is that there seems to be some problem with the shivs with the C&Cs.  The 115 has had the cable jump off the shivs several times and the 99 has had this happen once.  The shivs are angled a bit but once they are replaced the problem seems to go away.  You may wish to check this area.  I believe with the 99 it occurred because a bolt worked itself out over time....

The 99 is a good boat and sails at a decent speed as a modern 33 foot cruising boat that can be raced.  We are all very happy with how well the 99 our friends purchased has worked out.  There also has never been any indication of the hull cracking issue that was reported on some of the larger C&C models ...

Not sure what else to add.  These are great boats!

Mike

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On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Pat Nevitt wrote:


I think there is someone on the list who posts occasionally that has one.  I can't remember his name.  I have a friend that owns one and really likes his.  Do you want to race or cruise?
Some of both, but the cruising is more weekending that longer and with just my wife and I.  Racing would be club for fun, not seriously campaigning.  I want a boat that can do both with me single-handing.

He mostly races his and places in the middle of a fairly competitive PHRF fleet.  We did beat him once in my 29-2 this past frostbite series on a 20kt wind day, but he claims it was because they turned around to pick up a hat that went overboard  (I never saw that!).  I know of 2 for sale in the Annapolis area.  I know the owner of one of those and he has had it for sale for a while and is motivated to let it go.

Pat
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Knecht <davidaknecht at gmail.com<mailto:davidaknecht at gmail.com>> wrote:
I sold by C&C 34 a while back, and now I am in the market for a new boat.  One of the boats I plan to look at is a C&C 99.  This list was always been of great help, when I had my previous boat, so I am wondering if anyone has comments on that particular vintage of C&C.  I planned to search the archive in case this has been discussed before, but I could find no way to do that.  Am I missing it?  Thanks- Dave

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