Stus-List Possible C&C 30 purchase - Shallow Keel

Gary Nylander gnylander at atlanticbb.net
Wed Mar 20 09:07:01 EDT 2013


I stand corrected. Thanks. Gary
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From: "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt at impgroup.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible C&C 30 purchase - Shallow Keel


> There is a shallow draft 30-1.  We had approx 6 of the 30-1 in our
> marina and two were shallow draft.  Since all were hauled each winter to
> avoid the solid water it was easy to compare.  The SD is just a little
> longer keel but still looks much like the C&C rock hopper designs of the
> era
> 
> The SD did not suffer much performance degradation ofver the standard
> keel and gets 6 sec/mile credit while racing.  SD is very nicely
> executed on this boat
> 
> Mike 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces at cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Nylander
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:37 PM
> To: cnc-list at cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible C&C 30 purchase
> 
> Mark, I don't know of a shallow keel version of a 30-1, I think some
> folks 
> were thinking of a 30-II - different boat.
> 
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbodnar at accesswave.ca>
> To: <cnc-list at cnc-list.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible C&C 30 purchase
> 
> 
>>
>> Graham,
>> Now I understand the clearance issue - the ability to lift the boat up
> on 
>> top of the cradle.  I guess that could be a challenge. Anyone know the
> 
>> height of the boat above waterline? I guess it really depends on the 
>> length of the lifting straps, boat width, and height of the boat -
> plus 
>> the design of the cradle -- might not know for sure until the first
> time 
>> we try a haul.
>> I didn't think about the fact that I would need a cradle rather than
> jack 
>> stands - I'll have to add that to the budget (guessing $2000-2500).
> Might 
>> be able to find used.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for all the comments.  If I buy the boat I'm sure I
> 
>> will have a ton more questions.
>>
>> Yes, I'm aware the mast on the 30 can't be hand stepped.  I watched a 
>> different 30 footer pulling the mast back in the fall - looks like a 
>> pretty tricky job even with a crane.
>> I know the weight may be pushing the crane capacity - they don't have
> a 
>> load cell that I know of, but I figure it's technically below the
> weight, 
>> I'll make sure I'm minimizing load before it's hauled.  I'm pretty
> sure 
>> the current boat I'm looking at is a fin keel, not shoal.
>> Not planning any racing, but who knows as kids get older.  I'll likely
> 
>> leave the main traveler right where it is for a while.
>> Looked at a lot of boat options.  Also like the C&C 29's.  Saw one 33
> for 
>> sale, good price, but I thought that would be getting too big for me
> to 
>> solo and maintain.  Likely not that much different, but I have to
> admit 
>> part of me is scared of the jump, the 24 is so easy to handle and 
>> maintain, I'm worried I'm biting off a lot more effort rather than
> more 
>> sailing!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> ---------------------
>>   Dr. Mark Bodnar
>> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
>> Bedford Chiropractic
>> www.bedfordchiro.ca
>> ---------------------
>>
>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>>   - George Santayana
>>
>> On 19/03/2013 7:44 AM, Graham Collins wrote:
>>> Hi Mark
>>> Belinda would know better than I, so that sounds good.
>>>
>>> The extra expense of the big crane is no biggie, but the scheduling 
>>> flexibility is indeed a good reason to use club crane.
>>>
>>> Not sure how to figure out if there is enough clearance for lifting
> the 
>>> 30 - maybe ask Travis what boat is the biggest and measure the
> vertical 
>>> clearance on it.
>>>
>>> And if you are sailing it back don't forget to factor in buying
> (having 
>>> made) a cradle.  If you haul with the big crane you can use
> jackstands, 
>>> but with the club crane you obviously need a cradle.  Mine was made
> by 
>>> Yachtsmiths over in Dartmouth, it is pretty solid! :-)
>>>
>>> Graham Collins
>>> Secret Plans
>>> C&C 35-III #11
>>>
>>> On 2013-03-19 1:18 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
>>>> Graham,
>>>> I asked Belinda what the max capacity was for the club crane when I 
>>>> started thinking about bigger boats - she told me the max lift is 
>>>> 9000lbs - so the 30 should be fine.  I'm trying to stay within the
> club 
>>>> capacity a)to save the extra expense of the big crane haul and
> b)makes 
>>>> timing for launch and haul easier rather than being scheduled by the
> big 
>>>> crane availability.
>>>> As for height clearance - I'm not sure what I'd be looking at. I
> know I 
>>>> had a problem with my Mirage 24 on the club crane - the mast was too
> 
>>>> short and the back stay tangled with the hoist -- I had to remove
> the 
>>>> stay the one time I lifted the boat with the mast in place.
>>>> Not sure how the C&C 30 would fair in that case, but also not sure
> if 
>>>> I'd leave the mast up for winter - dropping the mast on the 24 was a
> 2 
>>>> person job by hand, I'm guessing the mast on the 30 is a whole lot 
>>>> heavier!!! -- I'll get into those questions with this list later if
> I 
>>>> have the boat.
>>>>
>>>> As for some of the other suggestions.  The boat I currently most 
>>>> interested in has a new diesel in 2000 (Yanmar 18Hp) and a new poly
> fuel 
>>>> tank in 2010. The boat is in salt water (Long Island) - possibly
> with 
>>>> original rigging.
>>>> The boat is a 1979 - no teak/holly floor, but the mast should
> already be 
>>>> a bit higher up and not the "roller/reefing" style.
>>>> The current mainsheet traveler position looks difficult (easy to
> tangle 
>>>> crew, can't use cockpit table under sail and looks hard to sheet in
> and 
>>>> out from the helm) -- that said is it safe to move the traveler to 
>>>> forward of the dodger? - I'd think that would be a huge change of
> forces 
>>>> to have it mid-boom rather than end of boom.
>>>> I'll put the thru-hulls on the list of upgrades if I get the boat,
> as 
>>>> well as making sure the waste tank is solid.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the info.  The price on the boat is good (under
> $16000 
>>>> US) - but I'll need to get it home from NY - so I'm trying to decide
> 
>>>> between a professional captain delivery, shipping it or sailing it
> back 
>>>> myself with a couple buddies.
>>>> If all looks good when my SailNet contact checks it out next week
> then 
>>>> I'll be looking into a proper survey - make sure the rigging and
> engine 
>>>> are solid for trip back to NS.
>>>>
>>>> BTW - any thoughts on importing a boat from the US to Canada? I'm 
>>>> assuming I'll just be paying HST on the purchase price (I bought a 
>>>> little bowrider power boat in Boston a few years back - pretty
> simple 
>>>> crossing to border, just paid HST --- but not sure how it works if
> I'm 
>>>> sailing home)
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>   Dr. Mark Bodnar
>>>> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
>>>> Bedford Chiropractic
>>>> www.bedfordchiro.ca
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>>>>   - George Santayana
>>>>
>>>> On 18/03/2013 9:03 PM, Graham Collins wrote:
>>>>> Hello Mark
>>>>> You might want to recheck with the club, I believe the rating on
> the 
>>>>> club crane is about 6000 lbs and from what I see the C&C 30 is
> around 
>>>>> 8000 lbs.  Also check the height clearance.  I previously had an
> Aloha 
>>>>> 27, it was a tight fit. I'm not aware of any 30 footers that get
> hauled 
>>>>> with that crane.  That said, the annual big crane launch and haul
> isn't 
>>>>> much of a problem. And I have not examined the numbers, it may be 
>>>>> possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've sailed on Jeff's C&C 30, it is a fine boat and sailed well in
> what 
>>>>> I'd guess was > 25 knots.  He keeps it at AYC. There are lots of
> others 
>>>>> in the neighborhood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope the search goes well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham Collins
>>>>> Secret Plans
>>>>> C&C 35-III #11
>>>>> BBYC, Halifax
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-03-18 4:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm new to the list.  Just joined up as I'm getting serious about 
>>>>>> moving up to a bigger boat.
>>>>>> Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last
> year, 
>>>>>> loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to spend
> much 
>>>>>> time aboard with my 4 kids.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local 
>>>>>> boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a C&C 30. Seems to be
> the 
>>>>>> right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for our
> club 
>>>>>> crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time out on the
> 
>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've read most everything on the C&C site, including a bunch of
> the 
>>>>>> mailing list archives.  Was on a local boat here the other day - 
>>>>>> getting an idea of the size and space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will
> likely 
>>>>>> need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the typical
> 
>>>>>> issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging etc that
> can 
>>>>>> be problematic with any older boats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any specific advice on things I need to watch for?  I have someone
> 
>>>>>> I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat
> for 
>>>>>> me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale - new
> diesel 
>>>>>> in 2000, well fitted out)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for the advice,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>>>>>>   - George Santayana
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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