Stus-List Electronics upgrade

Andrew Burton a.burton.sailor at gmail.com
Tue Aug 11 14:07:14 EDT 2015


I suppose I can jump into the fray since I'm finishing up the install a new
e7D Raymarine plotter/radar. I like this unit because I can access it via
wifi on my iPad. I like Raymarine because unlike Furuno and B&G/Simrad, I
find their equipment to be very intuitive to operate.
last year my outdated plotter/radar were virtually inoperative and I
navigated around Maine with my iPad. It only came on deck in nice weather,
otherwise I was below calling instructions to my wife, who likes driving
the boat. I've used the iPad for several runs between the Caribbean and New
England, as well as at least a couple of transAtlantics. I always carry
paper charts and keep an EP (in my head at least) in case the electronics
fail, but I do that regardless.
I like having the iPad near my bunk so I can monitor our position and
course at sea and make sure we're not dragging when we're anchored (a tip:
zoom all the way in and engage the tracking feature; it's amazing how much
we move around at anchor).
Off to Maine for a couple of weeks on Friday (weather permitting). hoping
everything works.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Knowles Rich via CnC-List <
cnc-list at cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Nuttin’ to sail, so I’ll chuck my two cents in.
>
> You are correct, Fred. I ran my old Furuno CRT radar for 18 years, and
> it’s still going strong with the new owner, never let me down, and never
> tried to jump overboard as phones and pads sometimes do. I find that
> laptops are excessive power consumers and, counting the cost of software,
> are often more expensive that a decent purpose-built plotter and far more
> fragile when the duct tape wears out and they fall on the cabin or cockpit
> sole.
>
> Gadgets are great, but take care and feeding.
>
> Rich Knowles
> Nanaimo, BC
>
> Boatless!
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2015, at 08:18, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list at cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Not too many listers chiming in on this topic.  Anyone?  Is everyone else
> out sailing?
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list at cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> John — like most Furuno gear, I imagine the black-box radar is pretty
> reliable.  My concern is with the other gear needed to use it.  If you’re
> going to spend that much on buying and installing a system, you want it to
> work when you need it.  And that’s generally when conditions are bad; which
> is also when the consumer stuff (laptop, iPad, etc) is going to fail.  Then
> your investment is worthless.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 9:07 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list at cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Any thoughts on the reliability of the Furuno unit itself?  It's a bit of
> an oddity but has been on the market for a while.  Radar is not a critical
> function to me (except when it is) but I view this more of an offshore tool
> than anything else.  Just my opinion which I'm sure most would disagree
> with.
>
>
> On August 9, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list at cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, John.  No, you’re not crazy; just be careful with mixing and matching
> equipment from different vendors.  And as long as you’re putting in modern
> electronics, there’s no reason I can think of to NOT integrate all of them
> together; you get benefits like autopilot steering to wind angle or to
> waypoints; and the ability to repeat GPS, wind, depth and other data out to
> WiFi if you’re so equipped.  And as far as not having a knot meter, that
> means you lose the ability to correlate the GPS and boat data to determine
> if you’re dealing with current set and drift, which can be very helpful.
>
>
> Only you know what you’d really like to have; but I would at minimum do a
> full instrument install, and my preference would be for the i70 Sail Pack
> system if you’re looking at Raymarine.
>
>
> If you go with the Furuno black box radar, you’re completely blind if your
> iPad dies.  I’m a fan of having dedicated marine electronics for functions
> you consider critical; if radar falls into that category, I’d think twice
> about that setup.
>
>
> If the current B&G autopilot system works well, there’s no reason to
> replace it; if it takes NMEA0183 data in, I’d definitely convert that from
> NMEA2000 so it can talk with other gear as mentioned above.
>
>
> If you’d like AIS receive only, consider putting in a VHF radio like the
> Standard Horizon GX2200, which has separate AIS receivers built in, and can
> pass that info on to other equipment.  If you’d like to be seen as well,
> there are a bunch of choices in AIS Class B transponders; I’d recommend one
> after you nail down the rest of the equipment, so it plays well with
> everything else.
>
>
> And finally, chartplotters.  I can see no reason to put in a Raymarine GPS
> receiver just to give GPS to other gear.  If you’re NOT going to do a
> plotter (see notes about reliability of iPad and radar…), putting in an
> AIS-enabled VHF can get you position data just as well.  I’d suggest,
> though, that you look at the new small MFDs that Simrad, B&G, Raymarine and
> Garmin have out.  Under $1000, and you can attach radar, AIS, instruments,
> etc to get a fully marine-capable system that runs off your boat’s
> batteries (no limited iPad battery life, which ALWAYS seems to fail when
> you need it most…).
>
>
> I’ll be interested to see what others recommend.
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 4:30 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list at cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> The basic electronics (b&g h1000 system) on Paws have been a challenge
> since I first got her.  Intermittent failures at the start of each season.
> Now depth has failed and of all things it appears to be the transducer.
> I'm debating modernizing.  Please tell me if I'm crazy.  A little
> background:
>
>
> Close hauled wind indicator is important to me (which I currently don't
> have)
>
> The autopilot (B&G) is a thing of beauty and will be kept
>
> There are two Furuno chart plotters running older Navionics charts.
> Frankly I use the iPad almost exclusively now (nobeltec ap and visual tides
> being my preference)
>
> AIS is important to me sailing in NY harbor - also off an iPad ap but
> would consider upgrading
>
> I couldn't care less about any interface between chart plotter and auto
> pilot and/or wind
>
> The boat does have radar which is never used for our current sailing.
> Offshore would be a different story and we do do plan another offshore run
> (Bermuda/Caribbean, etc)
>
>
> So here's what I'm thinking.
>
>
> Ray i50/60/70 instruments as a stand alone installation
>
> Existing auto pilot remains as a stand alone unit
>
> Replace existing Furuno radar dome with the PC version with built in wi-if
> (works with Nobeltec iPad ap)
>
> Perhaps add a wireless router
>
> Add new Ray GPS head for a multifunction display; use iPad GPS for chart
> plotter through ap
>
> I wouldn't install a knot meter - Gps is fine
>
>
> Any thoughts on the reliability of wifi offshore?  I would think it's fine
> but would love to hear opinions.
>
>
> All of this could be done for about 4k less whatever I can sell the old
> equipment for on eBay.  Feel free to tell me I'm nuts.  Keep in mind we do
> have limited offshore runs in the future.
>
>
> Opinions welcome
>
>
> John
>
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Andrew Burton
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Newport, RI
USA 02840
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