I'm about to finally replace my old 2 speed Barient 25 primary winches on my C&C 34, with Harken 46 Self tailing winches.
Anyone have experience doing a similar swap? I fully expect I’ll need to fill old holes and drill new ones. And probably glass in aluminum or plywood backing plates.

Any other hints and tips?

Thanks, Dean
BarraWind
1980 C&C 34
Halifax, NS

Dave, that's excellent advice!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 09:42:56 AM EDT, Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:  

Make your own ‘glass backing sheetshttp://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2015/12/making-fibreglass-parts.html?m=1
Dave - ex 33-2.  Windstar 

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:26 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

Don’t use plywood. Aluminum or G10. 

Joel

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:24 PM Dean McNeill via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

I'm about to finally replace my old 2 speed Barient 25 primary winches on my C&C 34, with Harken 46 Self tailing winches.
Anyone have experience doing a similar swap? I fully expect I’ll need to fill old holes and drill new ones. And probably glass in aluminum or plywood backing plates.

Any other hints and tips?

Thanks, Dean
BarraWind
1980 C&C 34
Halifax, NS

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Dean:

The four winches I replaced were not "similar" in terms of make/size, but the job probably is.  Mine was made more complicated because the winches were located near the mast where C&C had installed decorative teak decking pieces.  I figured I'd just remove the teak pieces, fill the holes, reinstall the teak, etc., but nay nay.  I don't know how the teak decking pieces were installed (a combination of machine bolts and something else), but it became clear that taking them off would be destructive.  On the other hand, the problem with filling the old holes with epoxy while the teak pieces were in place is that epoxy would be able to escape between the deck surface and the teak deck pieces when epoxy was poured into the holes.  The solution I came up with was wooden dowels.  First I cleaned out the old holes by drilling them slightly larger.  Then I cut dowel pieces a little longer than the hole depth (including the teak pieces), soaked them in West System, and tapped them in place from the deck (followed by teak plugs).  After they set up, I trimmed the excess dowel from inside.  Seems to have worked fine.

If you don't have a complicated situation like mine, I suggest just cleaning up the old holes, taping them off underneath, and filling with West System.  Use the Slow hardner.  Good luck!

Matt
C&C 42 Custom   

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Subject: Stus-List Hints on swapping winches?

I'm about to finally replace my old 2 speed Barient 25 primary winches on my C&C 34, with Harken 46 Self tailing winches.
Anyone have experience doing a similar swap? I fully expect I’ll need to fill old holes and drill new ones. And probably glass in aluminum or plywood backing plates.

Any other hints and tips?

Thanks, Dean
BarraWind
1980 C&C 34
Halifax, NS

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I moved my original Lewmar 50 winches and added additional Lewmar 44 winches to my 1995 36XL/Kcb and added backing plates to all of them but did not glass the plates in place—this would have required destruction of a lot more of the interior headliner.
I had used starboard previously but this would have required a fair bit of cutting since the starboard came in 2x2’ or 2x4’ sheets and I wanted a plate 1/2” thick.
A little net searching led me to using red oak boards which could be had in the widths necessary (so I only had to cut them to length, not rip them at all.) Of course, even cross cutting such dense wood is not a piece of cake!
Instead of glassing them in, I just painted them with a penetrating epoxy to keep them water resistant.  (If properly installed, no water should get to them anyway).
This type oak is near or at the top of measures of hardness, strength, density, etc. much like the live oak that was used for warships in the days of sail. 
After 15+ years of use and regular winch maintenance I have seen no evidence of wear or wood rot in these plates and no bending of the deck when pounding to weather in a breeze which was obvious prior to adding these plates. 
I believe that the deck would give way and the winch with the plate would break free of the boat before the plate would separate from the winch/deck!
FWIW
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/Kcb

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On Saturday, March 23, 2024, 4:42 AM, Dean McNeill via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

I'm about to finally replace my old 2 speed Barient 25 primary winches on my C&C 34, with Harken 46 Self tailing winches.
Anyone have experience doing a similar swap? I fully expect I’ll need to fill old holes and drill new ones. And probably glass in aluminum or plywood backing plates.

Any other hints and tips?

Thanks, Dean
BarraWind
1980 C&C 34
Halifax, NS

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